fourstorytantrum asked: I read your vegan/feminist post and while I respect you for your passion against animal cruelty and veganism, I had to ask you a few questions. While I personally believe animals and people are all spiritual equals, in the wild, all animals eat other animals. It's part of the food chain, so I'm trying to figure out why it's unfeminist (women =/= female animal) of someone to eat meat or dairy products? Also what are your opinions of the mistreated, underpaid migrant workers who harvest produce?
Yeah, some animals do eat other animals. In the wild. While being a mutually beneficial part of an ecosystem. For survival. Without grocery stores. Without tools or knowledge or ability to do otherwise. Not having any choice in the matter. Because they are carnivores and require flesh to survive. None of which applies to humans in the industrialized world. We are capable of rationalizing our actions and choosing not to kill or to hurt someone else when we do not need to. Wild carnivorous animals who eat other animals are not in that position, so their reasoning for doing so is not even comparable to our reasoning for it.
There is not a single bit of human existence in the modern world that resembles a food chain or the way that wild animals live. We are not part of any codependency with nature, we now exist in a state of purely taking from nature and never returning anything back. We are essentially leeches to the planet at this point who are destroying it as we go.
Humans are animals, as you just pointed out. You just tried to say that we are exactly the same as animals and that our lives mimic theirs, and that’s why we should get to eat meat. So why do you need to stress so much that human females are TOTALLY different from other female animals, implying that we deserve better treatment or more consideration? Are we the same and equal to animals, or are we not? If you truly believe that animals are equal to us spiritually, why on earth do you try to throw them under the bus and deem them as less important or different than humans? Why would you want to purposefully and deliberately kill and exploit them? It makes zero sense if you genuinely think that.
To disregard animals as “others” from us, to separate them from us, is the exact same theory behind any other form of oppression. It is the same mindset behind sexism or any other -ism used to oppress people. How come when we are confronted with the way we treat animals as “others” and separate their experiences and their lives from us, we don’t recognize that inequality and treat it with disdain? Rather than taking a step back and trying to understand that other animals matter just as much as we do, people try to selfishly defend it. But then again, people do that same shit with things like sexism all the time.
Now, I’m not saying that things like sexism and racism and other -isms are all exactly the same. Speciesism is different than sexism because it manifests and affects others in different ways, just like sexism affects people differently than racism does. While I know what it feels like to be a victim of sexism, I will never understand racism because I am white. They are not entirely the same, but they all come from the same viewpoint. All of those types of oppressions are rooted in the belief that you should get to mistreat and exploit others simply because they are different than you which is what makes them all equally horrid. Whether the factor involved is gender, race, sexuality, species, or any other similar determinant, all of those things are the result of oppression based on othering somebody else. And that shit is never something that an actual feminist should be doing. It is unfeminist to believe that non-human animals or any other human being exists to serve you and for you to use.
My opinions of the mistreated, underpaid, migrant workers who harvest produce is that they are in an unfortunate situation which needs immediate change and people should always try to buy their produce from fair sources. What is your opinion of all of the mistreated, underpaid, migrant workers who harvest crops to feed animals which are then slaughtered by even more mistreated, underpaid, migrant workers who work in meat plants and slaughterhouses? What about the people who have to deal with knives and blades and blood and kicking, screaming animals which is an exponentially more stressful environment than harvesting produce? Even if one cannot for whatever reason buy all fair trade foods and goods, veganism is still the most ethical choice. It contributes to the smaller amount of human and animal oppression. A vegan lifestyle, even if using products from unethical sources, is still causing less harm to humans than a meat eater’s lifestyle because meat eating/animal product consumption requires double the amount of human exploitation. Those workers are harvesting crops to feed animals, AND those workers are going to be working in slaugtherhouses as well. And that doesn’t even begin to include all of the added animal suffering and exploitation that is part of a meat-eating lifestyle. So if you genuinely care at all about non-human animals or even humans, the only choice is veganism.